WhenFinished(StandBy)/WhenFinished(Hibernate)

[poutnik]

Would be possible to add StandBy and Hibernate options to WhenFinished ?

Personally I do not have such need.
But it can be useful for users, running Monthly Optimize or other SortByxxxxx based scripts.

[BloodySword]

Mhh... I think it is save to go into some energy-saving modes after defrag but I'm thinking about any situation where it could be useful... And I can't find some situation... If you do such aggressive optimizing, shutdown is okay. If a user might want to that the system is saving energy or do hibernation, shut-down is the next-best thing and it is totally ok. Even if the user is around the system while it optimized unattended, and if the system has finished optimizing and the user has finished his other work and will come back the user might want to use the system again and doesn't want to wait too long for boot. Hibernation is not faster than booting, on my laptop. It is nearly equal with the cool optimizing of MyDefrag . The wake up out of stand-by is very fast, though and this might be a good idea... But hibernation... Um... Hmm... I think it is useless in this case.

[jeroen]

Would be possible to add StandBy and Hibernate options to WhenFinished ?

Thanks for sharing your idea, I appreciate it. It's already on my wishlist.

[poutnik]

Hibernation is not faster than booting, on my laptop. It is nearly equal with the cool optimizing of MyDefrag . The wake up out of stand-by is very fast, though and this might be a good idea... But hibernation... Um... Hmm... I think it is useless in this case.

If ACPI S3-STR is combined in ACPI S4-STD in vista hybrid standby mode, the waking up is question of a second,
and you still will not lost your work in case of power failure. I use it a lot.
I usually restart PC only when needed, e.g. at SW updates, and almost never shutdown, but going to hybrid Vista sleep.
( In S3 standby mode CPU and all subsystems are OFF, only RAM is powered, with slow refresh ).

[BloodySword]

What exactly is the hybrid mode? Does it mean the RAM is powered with the battery inside my Laptop and it lasts even for some days or more?

[poutnik]

Previously I have spoken about my Vista64 Premium desktop at home.

When I send my Lenovo T400 work notebook to sleep
( XP, not sure if using S1 ( standby - systems running at low power) or S3 ( suspend to RAM ), it would last on full batteries about 5 days. But XP does not use hybrid mode.

Vista hybrid mode is combination of
hybernation-suspend to disk(STD)-S4- PC status is saved
and standby - system after saving stays in  S1 or S3 mode, (whatever is set in BIOS), ready to wakeup quickly.

Power consumption does not depend, if using pure standby or hybrid, but DOES depend on what mode is set in BIOS to be used for standby.

Mode S2 is raraly used, CPU still powered, but by extra low power, probably not running, just keeping info, not sure.

[BloodySword]

Oh I see. So if there is a power fail, the PC-Status can be restored by the hiberfil.sys and if not, the PC is alive in seconds.

I don't know if my Laptop is capable to use the hybrid mode. I have Vista 32 HE SP2, my machine is FSC Amilo Li 3910 18,4 inch sized in black.

[poutnik]

Oh I see. So if there is a power fail, the PC-Status can be restored by the hiberfil.sys and if not, the PC is alive in seconds.

I don't know if my Laptop is capable to use the hybrid mode. I have Vista 32 HE SP2, my machine is FSC Amilo Li 3910 18,4 inch sized in black.

I guess, if it is able to fall asleep and wake up by normal stanby, it will be able to use hybrid mode.
It is IMHO vista software feature. But definitely check BIOS standby settings.
Using S1/S3 is on you , choosing wakeup speed or sleep battery life.

But you need to tweak Vista power mnagement settings a little, is is less straightforward that on w2k/XP,
and maybe even more on notebook.

[BloodySword]

I don't know If I can set this setting in BIOS because it is a OEM system and you know what I mean: Restricted BIOS. But I'm differencing if hybrid mode is useful for my needs. Cause, when I'm not working on the laptop, I use full hibernation. If I plan to do other things at home beneath the Laptop, I lieave it as is and the display turns off after 5 minutes to save some siginificant energy. If I leave home, I will hibernate. Before I'll go to bed, I make hibernation or somethimes I shut down. So do you see any need of hybrid mode, when I'm using standby very seldom?

There is something strange going on on stand-by. If the Laptop is in Standby, and the mouse is moved, the Laptop wakes up partially. The display stays black, I can hear sounds If I connect some USB device. But the display doesn't go on and if I touch the soft switch nothing happens. I have to kill my system with holding the soft-off button 4 seconds long. Then I hear a loud "klick" out of the harddrive. Is this normal?

Now I deactivated the option that the mouse can wake up my machine if it will be touched.

[poutnik]

I don't know If I can set this setting in BIOS because it is a OEM system and you know what I mean: Restricted BIOS. But I'm differencing if hybrid mode is useful for my needs. Cause, when I'm not working on the laptop, I use full hibernation. If I plan to do other things at home beneath the Laptop, I lieave it as is and the display turns off after 5 minutes to save some siginificant energy. If I leave home, I will hibernate. Before I'll go to bed, I make hibernation or somethimes I shut down. So do you see any need of hybrid mode, when I'm using standby very seldom?

There is something strange going on on stand-by. If the Laptop is in Standby, and the mouse is moved, the Laptop wakes up partially. The display stays black, I can hear sounds If I connect some USB device. But the display doesn't go on and if I touch the soft switch nothing happens. I have to kill my system with holding the soft-off button 4 seconds long. Then I hear a loud "klick" out of the harddrive. Is this normal?

Now I deactivated the option that the mouse can wake up my machine if it will be touched.

AFAIK some systems do not like standby much. Standby for longer time is more useful for desktops, notebook will prefer hibernation because of batteries.
OTOH if you are working with notebook on battery life mission critical, when every saved minute counts, you can find standby useful.

[BloodySword]

My notebook is always connected on power-line, but sometimes if I travel long journeys by train (~7 hours) I take my notebook with me and sometimes there are no Power-Jacks in the train. My notebook stays alive for more than 3 hours with dimmed display and CPU-Power set to 20-80%. It is a 4400 mAh battery Li-Ion. Intel is somewhat energy saving... My girlfriend has a notebook with AMD Athlon X2 and a 4000 mAh battery with same power settings. Her notebook stays only less than one hour.

[poutnik]

My notebook is always connected on power-line, but sometimes if I travel long journeys by train (~7 hours) I take my notebook with me and sometimes there are no Power-Jacks in the train. My notebook stays alive for more than 3 hours with dimmed display and CPU-Power set to 20-80%. It is a 4400 mAh battery Li-Ion. Intel is somewhat energy saving... My girlfriend has a notebook with AMD Athlon X2 and a 4000 mAh battery with same power settings. Her notebook stays only less than one hour.

Some notebooks have quite clever PW manager, so much depends how they are configured.
E.g. going STBY after + minute of inactivity ( unless being in presentation PW profile ) can be usefull.
T400 uses LED backlighted  LCD, so often sleeping waking does not matter.

short term stanby versus hibernate depends on comparison of saved and wasted energy staying hibernated and getting to-from hibernation.

[BloodySword]

Okay. Thanks for your information .
BTW: I wonder how this thread got into off-topic. 

[poutnik]

Are not we talking about PW saving modes ?   
Real discussions are somewhat rare in this forum.